Sustain 30/10/08 minutes

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@ Rich Mix 30/10/08

Present: Neil, Cinzia, Michael, Tim. Apologies David, Marsha and Trevor

We start off by discussing the proposed Mission Statement.
Should it be more pragmatic?
Do we need to present in greater detail CP’s approach to workshops & conferences etc
Discussion about the reworking of Mark Getty’s phrase “Intellectual Property is the oil of the 21st century” based on the concept of scarcity and CP’s ideas of abundance and generosity and creativity being the 'new oil'.

We need to keep certain things in mind in discussing sustainability – Trevor’s notion of multiple sustainabilities or multiple understandings of sustainability based on agency, contribution, impact (meaning here negative impact)
The Individual has to accept interdependence and interaction, which suggests networks

Idea that all ecologies / eco-systems are networks, implicitly, otherwise they would not be sustainable.

Cross/cost benefit analysis of networking means constant negotiation. Also it is a way to look at the economy of creativity and an individual’s participation.

CP is not sustained by money but by the surplus energy of its participants.
CP could be seen as causing “burn out” in its participants – but CP is something its participants choose to do with their excess energy - it is not intentionally exploitative.

However creativity is a basic element or need for the well being of the individual so rotation of personnel or running CP on “burn out” would neglect a fundamental part of well-being for the individual.

Classic economic model does not care about the survival of the individual. In effect it strips the individual of their humanity.

Not enough to foster creativity but also important what happens to creative practice - the circulation and distribution of creativity e.g. is the commercial gallery model the best way to nurture creativity?

Further discussion about creativity – how do we define it?
A mental state?
Different levels of quality?
Comparison made between Richard Wentworth‘s Making do and Getting By approach (fo example) upon finding paper cups being squeezed into railings (to photograph and present in a book) and CP’s approach to interact with what happens and the people involved in it.


If we want to make creativity more sustainable there are conditions we need to nurture. The purpose of the research is to find out what they might be.


By 29 November we will:

  • finalise the mission statement
  • Collate a list of case studies we want to explore.

Some Possibilities

Deutsche Bank collection. Motto “Art at Work” 50.000 pieces
White Cube
Guerilla Gardeners
See gardening for a run in with the police (for non believers!)
Also Guerilla Gardeners
Graffiti artists Burning Candy at Sartorial gallery and Banksy’s tunnel in Waterloo
Research sailing-ship Vessel - the Heraclitus
Prenelle gallery Barge in Canary Wharf
  • Build a list of resources
  • Compile a list of people / partners / organizations to help nurture the project


  • We need to develop workshops, to see if case studies will further our understanding of sustainable creativity
  • We need to make list of possible outcomes


29 November, 2 - 5pm

Place to be confirmed

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